1 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:53,803 - Well, Dick, people already think feminism is a dirty word, 2 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:56,598 so I say if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. 3 00:00:56,681 --> 00:00:57,682 Too glib? 4 00:00:57,766 --> 00:01:00,310 Too glib. 5 00:01:00,393 --> 00:01:04,022 Well, Dick, I've always found the best truths are naked ones. 6 00:01:04,105 --> 00:01:05,940 Oh, that is good. 7 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:07,567 Doug, where have you been? 8 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:09,569 - Who's Doug? 9 00:01:09,652 --> 00:01:11,696 Maggie! Oh! - Tell me everything. 10 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:14,949 If you elope, I will kill you. - Oh, I'm so glad you made it. 11 00:01:15,033 --> 00:01:17,202 - Well, I only had to tell a little fib to get out of work. 12 00:01:17,285 --> 00:01:18,787 - Oh. - We're on deadline as always. 13 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:20,330 But there was no way I was gonna miss you 14 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:22,665 on Dick friggin' Cavett! - I know! 15 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:24,125 Can you believe how crazy-- 16 00:01:24,209 --> 00:01:26,294 I mean, this has all happened so fast. 17 00:01:26,377 --> 00:01:28,963 - You are famous. And this is just the beginning. 18 00:01:29,047 --> 00:01:30,840 - You know, they put me up at the Plaza. 19 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:32,467 My room has three phones, 20 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:34,052 this entryway chandelier, 21 00:01:34,135 --> 00:01:36,596 and its own echo. 22 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:37,889 - I always knew you would 23 00:01:37,972 --> 00:01:40,058 come back to New York in triumph. 24 00:01:40,141 --> 00:01:42,185 Your magazine is--wow. 25 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:45,146 I do not how you pull it off. - Well, you know me. 26 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:46,689 I've always found the best truths are naked ones. 27 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:49,400 - Oh, that is good! You should say that. 28 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:51,110 - It's good, right? I'm using that. 29 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:52,987 - Oh, and Betsy? 30 00:01:56,491 --> 00:01:58,993 Senior editor? Since when? - That is a story. 31 00:01:59,077 --> 00:02:01,454 So Guinevere was in Staden-- 32 00:02:01,538 --> 00:02:03,039 - Miss Prigger, you're needed in makeup. 33 00:02:03,122 --> 00:02:05,959 - Oh, Miss Prigger, you're needed in makeup. 34 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:07,335 - Stop it. 35 00:02:07,418 --> 00:02:10,588 - She's a summer. Don't put her in a plum. 36 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,048 - Thank you. 37 00:02:12,882 --> 00:02:15,844 - So you got that California glow. 38 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:17,262 Ever been to New York? 39 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:19,180 - What is progress if not the expansion 40 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:20,557 of freedom and opportunity? 41 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,100 That's all the Vietnamese want. 42 00:02:22,183 --> 00:02:24,894 Who's the US government to try and stop them? 43 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:27,647 Hey, Joselyn, can you come here a sec? 44 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:29,858 After you do the dishes, can-- 45 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:31,734 oof, five eggs? 46 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:33,069 What's her name? 47 00:02:33,152 --> 00:02:35,488 Who was the blonde with the funny walk 48 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:36,865 who was here before her? 49 00:02:36,948 --> 00:02:40,034 - Oh, um, Patty. - Yeah, Patty. 50 00:02:40,118 --> 00:02:41,661 She used to get way more eggs out of those birds. 51 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:43,204 - Oh, sorry. 52 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:44,831 I'm just getting the hang of it. 53 00:02:44,914 --> 00:02:46,583 - Yeah, well, the chickens can tell. 54 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,669 - This is Sven. He's new. He'll be taking Roger's room. 55 00:02:49,752 --> 00:02:51,421 - Oh, why? What happened to Roger? 56 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:54,173 - Pigs busted his head in at our Wall Street action. 57 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:56,259 Parents had to fly in from Aspen just to take him home. 58 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:58,761 - Oh, God, that's awful. 59 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:01,848 Um, I don't wanna cause any problems 60 00:03:01,931 --> 00:03:04,434 but, um, my understanding was that rooms here 61 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:06,436 were assigned based on seniority, 62 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:10,398 and I'm still on that moldy mattress in the pantry. 63 00:03:10,481 --> 00:03:13,610 - Yeah, but Sven's from Europe, so-- 64 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:15,111 - Guys, there's no way 65 00:03:15,194 --> 00:03:16,821 we're walking these things to Washington Square. 66 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:18,448 Make them too big, they're not gonna fit in the van. 67 00:03:18,531 --> 00:03:20,116 - Those milk jugs get any bigger, 68 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:21,784 they're not gonna fit in the van either. 69 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:33,087 - Sit down. 70 00:03:33,171 --> 00:03:36,049 One more. Billy, please one more. 71 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:37,383 Please. - All right. One more. 72 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:39,052 Then I gotta hit the road. 73 00:03:39,135 --> 00:03:40,762 Drive any drunker, ain't no autograph 74 00:03:40,845 --> 00:03:42,555 getting me out of that trouble. - Right. 75 00:03:44,057 --> 00:03:47,018 That's "fitty" for each titty, little lady. 76 00:03:47,101 --> 00:03:48,645 - Keep drinking, I might be able to get my baby 77 00:03:48,728 --> 00:03:51,522 out of public school. 78 00:03:51,606 --> 00:03:53,942 - I'm just admiring a fine pair of breasts 79 00:03:54,025 --> 00:03:55,443 and she's gotta mention her kid? 80 00:03:55,526 --> 00:03:57,320 Talk about a boner bomb. - Yeah. 81 00:03:57,403 --> 00:04:00,073 - Still, I'd tax that. Hard. 82 00:04:00,156 --> 00:04:01,532 See, that's a flavor 83 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:03,326 that we don't currently have at the magazine. 84 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:06,913 I'm seeing the perfect storm between man and moment, Billy. 85 00:04:06,996 --> 00:04:08,414 - I don't know, Doug. 86 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:09,916 On the one hand, 87 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:12,961 showing my hog, that's pure Billy Brunson. 88 00:04:13,044 --> 00:04:14,253 Classic GOAT. 89 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:16,005 On the other, I don't like the idea 90 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:18,383 of fairies beating off to me. - Well, this magazine is not 91 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:21,302 for the homosexual community. 92 00:04:21,386 --> 00:04:22,428 It's for women. 93 00:04:22,512 --> 00:04:23,930 - Yeah? - A lot of them. 94 00:04:24,013 --> 00:04:25,640 I just got out of a meeting with Seagram's. 95 00:04:25,723 --> 00:04:27,392 I wasn't gonna say this, but I got Detroit 96 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:29,477 on lines three, four, and five, okay? 97 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,145 And if you're thinking about what comes next 98 00:04:31,229 --> 00:04:32,730 for Billy Brunson after football, 99 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:34,232 this launches that. 100 00:04:34,315 --> 00:04:36,734 - Why y'all gotta do all that women's lib crap? 101 00:04:36,818 --> 00:04:39,445 Down in 'Bama, we grow 'em blonde and quiet. 102 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:41,572 - So take back the mic. 103 00:04:41,656 --> 00:04:42,907 I mean, how many times you been on the cover 104 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:44,033 of "Sports Illustrated"? 105 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:45,493 Six? - Seven. 106 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:47,412 - Maybe it's time to make some new news, Billy. 107 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:48,746 You want that ex-wife of yours 108 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,373 to be unable to escape your face. 109 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:51,874 - Ol' Warren Beatty dumped her quick 110 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:55,211 after I whopped his ass. 111 00:04:55,294 --> 00:04:58,131 I'm gonna tell you, I don't hate women, Doug. 112 00:04:58,214 --> 00:04:59,549 - Oh, I know that, Billy. 113 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:01,175 It's one of the things I admire most about you. 114 00:05:01,259 --> 00:05:03,052 - But I might punch out the occasional movie star 115 00:05:03,136 --> 00:05:05,138 if he plows my ex. 116 00:05:05,221 --> 00:05:06,597 I framed the restraining order. 117 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:08,349 - Now, why don't we publish it in the magazine? 118 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,643 - I could pose like Clyde from Bonnie and Clyde. 119 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:12,353 That'd be a nice ol' dig. - Give you a Tommy gun 120 00:05:12,437 --> 00:05:14,272 to hold onto. - Tommy gun? 121 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:16,315 Brother, with what I'm packing, 122 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,693 you ain't gonna need no other gun. 123 00:05:22,113 --> 00:05:24,115 - Ooh, this cheese is starting to bubble. 124 00:05:24,198 --> 00:05:25,491 Get in here. 125 00:05:25,575 --> 00:05:27,910 - Picasso's got nothing on my bread cubes. 126 00:05:27,994 --> 00:05:31,039 - Shot break! Everyone grab some tequi-qui. 127 00:05:31,122 --> 00:05:32,749 - "Minx" is primetime, baby. 128 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:34,459 - Whoo! - Yes! 129 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:38,337 Mmm. That's the good stuff. - Mm-hmm. 130 00:05:38,421 --> 00:05:40,757 Now, Miss Tina, I know you got fondue forks somewhere. 131 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:42,050 - Pantry. - Ah. 132 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:43,301 - Grass break! 133 00:05:43,384 --> 00:05:45,011 - Okay, before you get too excited, 134 00:05:45,094 --> 00:05:46,929 there will be no acid break... - Aww. 135 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:49,223 - This evening. - What are these? 136 00:05:50,516 --> 00:05:51,726 - Nothing. My dad sent them. 137 00:05:51,809 --> 00:05:53,352 - Well, first of all, your dad's dead. 138 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:54,645 Secondly, why are you hiding 139 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:56,022 ghost dad's flowers in the pantry? 140 00:05:56,105 --> 00:05:57,398 Did I miss grass break? 141 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:01,527 - Bookstore Bill? - It's nobody. 142 00:06:01,611 --> 00:06:03,112 Can't a girl buy herself some roses? 143 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:04,947 - Come on. You have to tell us. 144 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:06,783 Is it your second cousin Derek? - He's my nephew. 145 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:08,618 - You said he was cute. - He's 12. 146 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:12,747 Oh, my God. 147 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:13,873 Doug? 148 00:06:13,956 --> 00:06:15,249 - Again? 149 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:17,293 - I'm telling you, man. I'm on the goddamn list. 150 00:06:17,376 --> 00:06:18,753 I'm the publisher of the magazine. 151 00:06:18,836 --> 00:06:20,463 - What magazine? - "Minx"! 152 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:21,964 My lady editor is on the show. 153 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:24,634 And I--and I am the reason she's here! 154 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:26,844 - Renetti, not on the list. I can't let you up. 155 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:29,347 - Then call somebody, please. - It's two minutes to air. 156 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:31,182 There's no one to call. You are out of luck. 157 00:06:31,265 --> 00:06:33,559 I'm sorry. 158 00:06:33,643 --> 00:06:36,062 - Right there. Joyce Prigger. Her plus two. 159 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:38,147 I'm that little scribble. I'm the second scribble. 160 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:39,607 It's Doug Renetti. 161 00:06:39,690 --> 00:06:41,567 - Oh, wow. That is small. 162 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:43,277 Yeah, go ahead. You're in. 163 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:52,662 - "The Dick Cavett Show." 164 00:06:52,745 --> 00:06:55,665 On tonight's program, from "Minx" magazine, 165 00:06:55,748 --> 00:06:58,334 - Shh, shh, shh. - Editor Joyce Prigger. 166 00:07:01,462 --> 00:07:03,131 - Most of you are aware by now 167 00:07:03,214 --> 00:07:04,841 of the Women's Liberation Movement. 168 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:06,676 A lot of women in this country feel that, 169 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:09,929 well, society isn't exactly fair in its treatment of them. 170 00:07:10,012 --> 00:07:11,472 They're tired of being pushed around 171 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:13,349 and they want things to change. 172 00:07:13,432 --> 00:07:14,809 I'd like to bring out someone who has 173 00:07:14,892 --> 00:07:17,228 a somewhat unique point of view on all this. 174 00:07:17,311 --> 00:07:19,856 She's the editor of "Minx" magazine, 175 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:21,732 which, if you haven't figured by now, 176 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:24,652 is not about semiaquatic, carnivorous mammals. 177 00:07:24,735 --> 00:07:26,362 - I'd show you more, 178 00:07:26,445 --> 00:07:29,031 but they'd cancel my show if I did. 179 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:31,784 The magazine has taken the publishing world by storm, 180 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:34,537 selling out its second issue in a matter of days. 181 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:37,707 But is it feminist? Is it pornography? 182 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:39,250 Can it be both? 183 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:41,586 Let's find out. Please welcome Joyce Prigger. 184 00:07:45,631 --> 00:07:47,967 - Welcome. - Hello. Thank you. 185 00:07:49,093 --> 00:07:50,720 - It seems like you've got some fans. 186 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:53,347 - Well, women can be loud when they use their voices. 187 00:07:55,057 --> 00:07:57,310 It's not so scary, is it? - Oh, I'm afraid of everything. 188 00:07:57,393 --> 00:08:00,146 I'm what'd you call an equal opportunity wimp. 189 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:01,856 - Don t sell yourself short, Dick. 190 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:04,233 With our photographer, even you could be a "Minx" man. 191 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:07,111 - I don't think the world is ready for that. 192 00:08:07,195 --> 00:08:08,988 - What do you say? You wanna take a peek 193 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:10,656 behind Dick Cavett's curtains? 194 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,575 - Okay, okay. 195 00:08:12,658 --> 00:08:14,076 Who's interviewing who here? 196 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,120 Are you gunning for my job, lady? 197 00:08:16,204 --> 00:08:19,123 - A female talk show host? I think it's about time. 198 00:08:19,207 --> 00:08:21,250 - If I can do it, anyone can. 199 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:22,960 - So how did you get into all this? 200 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:25,296 You've got this straight-laced background. 201 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:27,381 - Mm-hmm. - Went to a fancy college. 202 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:28,925 I mean, as a little girl, 203 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:31,010 is this where you imagined you'd be? 204 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:32,595 - Well, Dick, in my childhood fantasy, 205 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:34,305 I was on "Ed Sullivan," not here. 206 00:08:35,723 --> 00:08:38,768 And then Sven throws me this look like, 207 00:08:38,851 --> 00:08:41,395 "Oops, sorry but not sorry." 208 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:44,273 - A hundred bucks this Sven character 209 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:46,192 tries to sleep with you. - Oh, he already did. 210 00:08:47,568 --> 00:08:49,612 Maybe I'd like life on the commune. 211 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:52,406 - You wouldn't last a single day. 212 00:08:53,407 --> 00:08:54,617 - Oh, you smell nice. 213 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,118 - You bought my shampoo for me. 214 00:08:56,202 --> 00:08:57,787 - I mean, you're here enough. 215 00:08:57,870 --> 00:08:59,789 - So you went all the way down to Bigelow to get it? 216 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:01,666 - Yeah--sent Francine. 217 00:09:01,749 --> 00:09:03,292 - Poor Francine. 218 00:09:05,044 --> 00:09:06,379 - You know, I really think this piece 219 00:09:06,462 --> 00:09:08,464 is gonna cause a seismic shift. 220 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,549 Nobody's writing about gender dynamics 221 00:09:10,633 --> 00:09:12,176 within the anti-war movement. 222 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:16,806 These are good liberals who are just awful to women. 223 00:09:16,889 --> 00:09:19,934 I think it's gonna make a lot of people uncomfortable. 224 00:09:20,017 --> 00:09:21,310 - Not as uncomfortable 225 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:24,355 as that ratty pantry mattress, I hope. 226 00:09:24,438 --> 00:09:26,274 - Listen, I am more than willing to suffer 227 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:27,984 for a good story. 228 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,152 - My guess is you probably make it. 229 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:32,780 Probably? 230 00:09:32,863 --> 00:09:34,198 - Indubitably. 231 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:35,825 - And so I say to this councilwoman, 232 00:09:35,908 --> 00:09:38,411 "If you're gonna plaster my face all over the place 233 00:09:38,494 --> 00:09:40,997 "on signs with devil horns, then at least 234 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,124 use a picture from my good side, you know?" 235 00:09:43,207 --> 00:09:45,001 Oh, it's this one. 236 00:09:45,084 --> 00:09:46,919 - And all that negativity, that didn't get to you? 237 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:49,046 A lot of people would just curl up and hide. 238 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,340 - Points. Points. - Oh, yeah, excuse me. 239 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,551 - Excuse me. Sorry. - Sorry. Sorry. 240 00:09:53,634 --> 00:09:55,594 - Excuse me. - Didn't see you. 241 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:01,392 - Excuse me. 242 00:10:01,475 --> 00:10:03,477 - You've got this armor that protects you from critics. 243 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:04,979 - That'll do it. 244 00:10:05,062 --> 00:10:06,772 - Secondly, I would say, 245 00:10:06,856 --> 00:10:09,483 if it bothers you, don't buy it. 246 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:14,947 - Hello. - Oh, I'm sorry. 247 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:16,365 I thought this-- 248 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:17,908 Wait a second. I recognize you. 249 00:10:17,992 --> 00:10:20,703 You're Simone de B--no. 250 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:22,371 - That French name I can't pronounce. 251 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,790 That's not you? Germaine Greer? 252 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:27,293 - Closer. She's Australian and a friend. 253 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:29,003 - Victoria Hartnett. 254 00:10:29,086 --> 00:10:31,213 - "Suffering Suffragettes." Yeah. 255 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:32,673 Joyce had me read it. 256 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:34,967 I gotta say, not bad. - Oh, why, thank you. 257 00:10:35,051 --> 00:10:37,553 Nothing quite damns like faint praise. 258 00:10:37,636 --> 00:10:38,721 - Doug Renetti. 259 00:10:38,804 --> 00:10:40,222 Publisher of "Minx." - Oh. 260 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:42,475 The wretched pornographer. - I prefer "vile." 261 00:10:42,558 --> 00:10:44,060 - Well, I have to give you credit, Mr. Renetti. 262 00:10:44,143 --> 00:10:46,020 I don't know a lot of men who'd stand back here 263 00:10:46,103 --> 00:10:47,605 and let her be the one out there. 264 00:10:47,688 --> 00:10:49,357 - Oh, well, I'm a good businessman 265 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,484 and she's good for business. 266 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:52,860 She's come a long way, that one. 267 00:10:52,943 --> 00:10:54,820 - Oh, and from where did she travel? 268 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,155 - Oh, I don't wanna say from nowhere, 269 00:10:56,238 --> 00:10:57,406 but that technically wouldn't be 270 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:58,574 the wrong address with her. 271 00:10:58,657 --> 00:11:01,327 - And then came you. Do tell. 272 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,746 - And maybe, just maybe, they will find the strength 273 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:05,539 in other parts of their life as well. 274 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,084 - Or they'll just blush and giggle. 275 00:11:08,167 --> 00:11:09,627 We'll be right back. 276 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,045 - So far, so good. 277 00:11:13,005 --> 00:11:14,757 - So are you guys going open and official? 278 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,842 Secret office romance? What's the play this time? 279 00:11:16,926 --> 00:11:19,512 - What about Calvin, huh? He had that sexy insurance job. 280 00:11:19,595 --> 00:11:20,888 - Snooze, Richie. 281 00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:22,807 Tina deserves more than life insurance. 282 00:11:22,890 --> 00:11:24,350 She deserves adventure. 283 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:26,852 - So then date a pirate or Evel Knievel. 284 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:28,604 - Doug's kind of both. 285 00:11:28,687 --> 00:11:31,107 I guess I like a cheap thrill. 286 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:34,819 I get it, but it really does feel different this time. 287 00:11:34,902 --> 00:11:37,446 - Oh, so he's dealt with his childhood trauma? 288 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:38,864 His two ex-wives? 289 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:40,282 Tina, I just wanna see you happy. 290 00:11:40,366 --> 00:11:42,535 - Good, because I am. 291 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:46,122 - You're a natural. 292 00:11:46,205 --> 00:11:48,874 I wasn't joking before. You play your cards right, 293 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:50,626 you're going to have options. 294 00:11:50,709 --> 00:11:52,253 That's good for now. Thanks. 295 00:11:56,757 --> 00:11:58,259 - I turned in my draft this morning. 296 00:11:58,342 --> 00:11:59,593 - Mm-hmm. 297 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:03,013 - I pulled an all-nighter polishing. 298 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:04,557 Oh, God, I am sweating. 299 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,684 I'm also cold, you know, and nauseated. 300 00:12:06,767 --> 00:12:08,185 I'm seeing spots as well. 301 00:12:08,269 --> 00:12:09,728 I should not have had that second cup of tea. 302 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:12,356 - Here. Eat something. I'm sure it's great. 303 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,568 You are a better writer that 95% of these meatballs. 304 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:16,986 You know, it's only a matter of time 305 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:18,362 before George gives you a byline. 306 00:12:18,446 --> 00:12:20,364 You are so beyond a researcher. 307 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:23,576 - We both are. - Thank you. 308 00:12:23,659 --> 00:12:25,119 - It's just-- 309 00:12:25,202 --> 00:12:27,246 it's so hard to tell what he's thinking, you know? 310 00:12:27,329 --> 00:12:29,457 He was profoundly encouraging when I told him that 311 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:30,958 I wanted to do it, but then when I turned it in-- 312 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:32,668 - He did that noncommittal George thing 313 00:12:32,751 --> 00:12:34,795 where he gets really quiet and his eyes narrow 314 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:36,338 and you can't tell if he's thinking about 315 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:37,506 you or his lunch? - Yes. 316 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:39,091 - Men are so good at that. 317 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:41,260 - All I want in life is for people to look at me, 318 00:12:41,343 --> 00:12:42,803 have no idea what I'm thinking, 319 00:12:42,887 --> 00:12:45,014 and then be really worried. 320 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:46,557 - Yeah. I think that's right. 321 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,225 Just crop in on her a little bit. 322 00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:50,352 And make sure that we can see her face. 323 00:12:51,353 --> 00:12:52,897 - Aww. 324 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:54,857 Who doesn't love a good office fling? 325 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:01,155 - In five, four, 326 00:13:01,238 --> 00:13:04,200 three, two-- 327 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:05,576 - Welcome back. 328 00:13:05,659 --> 00:13:07,703 We're talking about feminism and pornography, 329 00:13:07,786 --> 00:13:09,121 and we're having a good time. 330 00:13:09,205 --> 00:13:10,498 We're having a good time, right? 331 00:13:10,581 --> 00:13:11,582 - A great time, Dick. 332 00:13:11,665 --> 00:13:12,791 - So glad to hear it. 333 00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:14,877 I wanna expand the conversation. 334 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,128 Bring out another guest. 335 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:19,006 She's probably America's foremost voice 336 00:13:19,089 --> 00:13:20,341 on women's issues. 337 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:22,301 An author. An advocate. 338 00:13:22,384 --> 00:13:23,886 She's been a guest here a number of times 339 00:13:23,969 --> 00:13:26,514 and just, well, a really smart lady. 340 00:13:26,597 --> 00:13:28,224 Please welcome, Victoria Hartnett. 341 00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:30,351 - Oh, my God. 342 00:13:32,978 --> 00:13:35,856 Oh, my God. This is such an honor. 343 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:37,733 Really this is--wow. 344 00:13:37,816 --> 00:13:39,318 - Oh, well, will you look at this? 345 00:13:39,401 --> 00:13:42,154 I didn't even know academics could have groupies. 346 00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:44,990 - I've only spent my entire senior year 347 00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:46,992 reading and rereading 348 00:13:47,076 --> 00:13:48,494 "The Whore of Babylon Revisited." 349 00:13:48,577 --> 00:13:49,787 - Oh. - That work is just-- 350 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:51,455 it's seminal. - Thank you. 351 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,707 It cost me my first marriage, so I'm glad someone 352 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:55,251 got something positive out of it. 353 00:13:56,835 --> 00:13:58,796 - I brought Victoria on because, you know, 354 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,423 we like to have a variety of viewpoints. 355 00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:03,425 Makes for more interesting conversation. 356 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:07,429 And, well, let me just ask, what do you think of "Minx"? 357 00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:10,099 - Well, first of all, let me say I admire 358 00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:13,143 any woman who pushes society's expectations 359 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:16,063 of what they can and cannot do or be, 360 00:14:16,146 --> 00:14:17,398 so brava. - Thank you. 361 00:14:17,481 --> 00:14:19,441 - But I think a magazine like "Minx" 362 00:14:19,525 --> 00:14:23,529 is harmful to the cause, maybe even a little insidious. 363 00:14:23,612 --> 00:14:26,031 We have a serious agenda for women 364 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:28,701 in this nation, on this planet. - Absolutely. 365 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:30,744 - Then why are we blathering about 366 00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:33,122 penises and pornographers? 367 00:14:34,123 --> 00:14:37,293 - I--I write about critical issues. 368 00:14:37,376 --> 00:14:39,837 - Yes, you do, superficially. 369 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,048 But even that is drowned in a sea of salaciousness. 370 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:45,092 - Salaciousness? 371 00:14:45,175 --> 00:14:47,303 There are a few naked pictures, sure, 372 00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,180 but there are pages and pages of serious content. 373 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:51,640 - Listen, my dear, 374 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:53,142 I'm sure your heart is in the right place 375 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:54,977 and I wouldn't call you a victim 376 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:57,771 but, in a sense, you have been used. 377 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:01,483 - This might be why they say you don't wanna 378 00:15:01,567 --> 00:15:03,569 meet your heroes. - Not helpful, Dick. 379 00:15:03,652 --> 00:15:05,654 - Your content is cover 380 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,489 for a very clever businessman 381 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:11,744 to expand into an enormous untapped market for pornography 382 00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:15,956 to sell cigarettes and alcohol and automobiles to women. 383 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,584 And to add insult to injury, 384 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:20,461 you've been hired as editor 385 00:15:20,544 --> 00:15:23,631 but only been given the illusion of control. 386 00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:25,799 - I don't know what--no. Okay, no. 387 00:15:25,883 --> 00:15:28,093 I mean, look, the magazine is mine. 388 00:15:28,177 --> 00:15:29,345 - Mm, your publisher might 389 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:31,013 have a different opinion on that. 390 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,515 - Well, this conversation has certainly gotten spicier. 391 00:15:33,599 --> 00:15:35,184 We're gonna take a quick break 392 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:37,770 and see if we can't sort this all out. 393 00:15:41,815 --> 00:15:43,150 - What is going on here, Doug? - I don't know. 394 00:15:43,233 --> 00:15:44,485 I don't know what she's talking about. 395 00:15:44,568 --> 00:15:45,861 But just stay in it. Stay calm. 396 00:15:45,944 --> 00:15:46,987 Don't take the bait and counterpunch. 397 00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:48,405 - But I'm not some pugilist. 398 00:15:48,489 --> 00:15:49,907 This is my life here. My work. And she's-- 399 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:51,533 - Miss Prigger, hi. We need you for some 400 00:15:51,617 --> 00:15:52,701 touch-ups real quick. - No, I'm fine. I don't-- 401 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:54,161 - Just a small sweat issue. 402 00:15:54,244 --> 00:15:55,412 You know, the camera adds a bit of a glimmer 403 00:15:55,496 --> 00:15:56,830 when the lights get hot. - Oh. 404 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:58,207 - Stay in the fight. Stay in the fight. 405 00:15:58,290 --> 00:15:59,667 - Mr. Renetti? - Yeah. 406 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:01,085 - Can our producer talk to you for a second? 407 00:16:01,168 --> 00:16:02,544 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Welcome back. 408 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:04,213 We've been having a spirited conversation 409 00:16:04,296 --> 00:16:05,381 about naked men. 410 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,675 Boy, this is a weird job sometimes. 411 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:09,927 Is a magazine full of them a feminist act 412 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:12,763 or just a nasty ploy to distract the ladies, 413 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:15,015 get them to stop asking for raises and stuff? 414 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,893 - Reductive, Dick, but not inaccurate. 415 00:16:17,976 --> 00:16:19,228 - The male publisher of "Minx" 416 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:21,230 has come up a few times in conversation. 417 00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:23,565 He's here tonight. I wanna have him out 418 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:25,067 and see what he has to say. 419 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:27,069 Please welcome Douglas J. Renetti. 420 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:31,198 - What an honor. 421 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,451 - Someone's got some pep in his step. 422 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:35,953 - Well, I'm excited to be here. I love New York. 423 00:16:36,036 --> 00:16:37,788 The energy, the dirt, all of it. 424 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:39,123 Have you been to Times Square? 425 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:40,416 A man in your profession might need to, 426 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:42,167 I wanna say "peep" the competition. 427 00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:44,086 - Very funny. No, I come here on business. 428 00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:45,796 Meeting with advertisers, that sort of thing. 429 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:47,840 - And have you always been in adult entertainment? 430 00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:50,300 - No, I started with a few penny savers, coupon clippers. 431 00:16:50,384 --> 00:16:52,761 And I saw an opportunity, so I got a small loan 432 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,930 and I busted my butt, title by title. 433 00:16:55,013 --> 00:16:57,433 You're looking at the American dream, Dick, 434 00:16:57,516 --> 00:16:59,351 in the flesh. - Oh, wow. 435 00:16:59,435 --> 00:17:00,853 - I couldn't have said it better myself. 436 00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:02,271 Kind of wish I did. 437 00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:03,939 Now, you've been following our conversation. 438 00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:07,192 Just who's in control of your magazine, you, Joyce? 439 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:09,111 - Well, we share a dynamic partnership. 440 00:17:09,194 --> 00:17:10,946 I think Joyce would say the same thing. 441 00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:13,782 At Bottom Dollar, we share an "all hands on deck" philosophy. 442 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:15,409 Right? - Yup. 443 00:17:15,492 --> 00:17:17,161 - But the buck has gotta stop somewhere. 444 00:17:17,244 --> 00:17:19,288 - Doug would never overstep into editorial, no. 445 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:21,790 He has suggestions, like all publishers, 446 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:23,834 but "Minx" is under my direction. 447 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:27,296 - Huh. Mr. Renetti was actually regaling me backstage 448 00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:30,340 with plans for a future issue for your magazine. 449 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:31,675 - Stop it now. 450 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,052 We were just gabbing pro to pro. You know it. 451 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:35,721 - Don't play humble now, Mr. Renetti. 452 00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:37,222 You were very, very proud. 453 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:39,057 You were beaming, even, about your next cover. 454 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:40,434 - Oh, no. We have not settled 455 00:17:40,517 --> 00:17:41,769 on the cover for our next issue, no. 456 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:42,978 - That's correct. No, we haven't. 457 00:17:43,061 --> 00:17:44,271 We are in the early stages, 458 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:45,522 just talking to people. 459 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:46,982 - Well, we love process here. 460 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:49,651 Love to see how the sausage gets made. 461 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:51,236 I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. 462 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,488 I'm just a-- - That was good. That was good. 463 00:17:52,571 --> 00:17:53,989 - Comic at heart, people. 464 00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:56,241 But we also happen to have quite a few readers 465 00:17:56,325 --> 00:17:57,659 in the audience-- people who might be 466 00:17:57,743 --> 00:17:59,036 interested in what you have on tap. 467 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,248 Unless you don't like free advertising, Mr. Renetti. 468 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:05,042 - Oh, you know I love free advertising. 469 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:06,543 And thank you to all the readers. 470 00:18:06,627 --> 00:18:08,212 - There's nothing to-- to share right now. 471 00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,255 - Perhaps we could let the cat out of the bag 472 00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:11,840 a little bit. - There's no cat. 473 00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,050 - Considering-- there might be a cat. 474 00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:14,635 There might be a big cat. 475 00:18:14,718 --> 00:18:16,386 - I can get you a drumroll. Do you wanna a drumroll? 476 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:17,888 - No. - Yeah. 477 00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:19,306 - No. We don't need a drumroll. - Bobby, hit it! 478 00:18:19,389 --> 00:18:21,016 - Doug, you don't need a drumroll. 479 00:18:21,099 --> 00:18:22,684 - I don't need a drumroll. - He doesn't need a drumroll 480 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,311 'cause there's nothing to reveal. 481 00:18:24,394 --> 00:18:26,188 - Ladies and gentlemen! 482 00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:28,649 In the next "Minx" and on the cover, 483 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,984 posing in all his God-given glory 484 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:33,737 will be America's favorite quarterback, 485 00:18:33,821 --> 00:18:35,781 Billy Brunson, "The GOAT"! 486 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:37,533 We got Billy Brunson! 487 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,076 We got him. 488 00:18:39,159 --> 00:18:40,786 - Wow. This is exciting. 489 00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:43,247 And you heard it here first. - There's--there's other-- 490 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:46,291 - Like I always say, the best truths are naked ones. 491 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:56,093 - Oh, wow. They grow up so fast. 492 00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:57,719 - It's no big deal. 493 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:00,347 - Mr. McKnight, youngest writer ever to land a cover. 494 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,224 - Someone has indubitably made it. 495 00:19:02,307 --> 00:19:03,517 Let me see that. Let me see. 496 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,893 - Pass it around. Pass it around. 497 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:07,187 - Sweetie, it's not all bad news. 498 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:08,647 You were obviously on the right track. 499 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:11,233 They used your idea. Sort of. 500 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:14,611 - A thoughtful, original article 501 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:16,238 about misogyny in the movement 502 00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,740 has been transmogrified into this 503 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,993 pat profile of cavalier elites 504 00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,495 written by some cavalier elite 505 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:24,746 who wasn't even there, 506 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:26,164 who didn't have to get the eggs! 507 00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:28,667 - The hen house does sound terrifying. 508 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,879 This magazine is not interested in those details. 509 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:33,589 But you survive here, 510 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:36,091 it just might get you to someplace that is. 511 00:19:36,174 --> 00:19:38,844 - He didn't even give me any feedback. 512 00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:41,638 You know, he just-- he just took it 513 00:19:41,722 --> 00:19:44,766 and he just made it into something else. 514 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:46,602 God, I'm such an idiot. 515 00:19:49,563 --> 00:19:50,772 I'm gonna talk to him. 516 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,190 - Oh, Joyce. 517 00:19:56,194 --> 00:19:57,821 - A little something for the road ahead. 518 00:19:57,905 --> 00:20:01,325 - Oh. You shouldn't have. 519 00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:02,951 - I sent Francine. 520 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,998 - Hey, before you say anything, 521 00:20:08,081 --> 00:20:10,042 I was backed into a corner. - Yeah, right. 522 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:13,420 The whole thing was staged. Great television, Doug. 523 00:20:13,503 --> 00:20:16,340 When did they tell you about Victoria Hartnett, back in LA? 524 00:20:16,423 --> 00:20:17,591 - What are you talking about? 525 00:20:17,674 --> 00:20:18,967 I didn't know anything about it. 526 00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,385 - Okay. And then the Billy bomb. 527 00:20:20,469 --> 00:20:22,012 Completely spontaneous. - Yes, it was. 528 00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,389 You got the lights, you got people staring, the band. 529 00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:25,974 He's got an orchestra, Joyce. 530 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,517 What I'm gonna do, say no to a drumroll? 531 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:28,977 No one's ever done that ever. 532 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:30,812 - Doug Renetti, a leaf on a stream 533 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,439 being merrily carried along. 534 00:20:32,522 --> 00:20:34,816 "Ooh, wherever will it take me next?" 535 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,401 - I screwed up, okay? 536 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,278 But I swear I didn't know anything about the other guest. 537 00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:39,988 - Oh, please. And Billy? - Fine. 538 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:41,990 I took a flyer with an old PR contact 539 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:43,659 and I got a meeting with Billy, okay? 540 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:45,994 But I did not think that Billy was gonna show. 541 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:48,455 And I definitely didn't think he was gonna say yes. 542 00:20:48,538 --> 00:20:51,250 And that's the truth. 543 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:55,170 It was wrong of me to do any of this without consulting you. 544 00:20:55,253 --> 00:20:58,256 - It was wrong of you to do any of this, period! 545 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,592 You know, men like you, you're an eclipse. 546 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:02,844 You don't mean to do it but you can't help 547 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:06,264 but just block out the sun! - Oh, so you're the sun now? 548 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:07,808 You're the giver of life? 549 00:21:07,891 --> 00:21:09,935 Joyce, let me explain something to you. 550 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:12,270 We are on an incredible hot streak. 551 00:21:12,354 --> 00:21:14,064 Out third issue is gonna have 552 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:16,191 the 11th highest circulation of any magazine. 553 00:21:16,274 --> 00:21:17,776 - Yes, thanks to whom? - Let me finish! 554 00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:19,152 - Thanks to my work. Thanks to my work. 555 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:20,487 - Three issues! 556 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:23,448 We are changing the game, Joyce. 557 00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:26,868 And I'm not gonna apologize to you or to anybody 558 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:29,705 for playing it like a goddamn all-star. 559 00:21:29,788 --> 00:21:33,500 And if you don't like my sports analogy, tough shit. 560 00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,377 It's my ball. 561 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:38,630 My rules. You get it? 562 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,634 - Yeah. 563 00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:48,432 This is everything you'll need for issue three of "Minx," 564 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,017 save for the centerfold, 565 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,269 which you have already taken care of. 566 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:56,690 I believe that fulfills the terms of our agreement. 567 00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:58,483 - Stop it. You're not leaving like this. 568 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:00,318 You care too much. - I thought I had done enough 569 00:22:00,402 --> 00:22:02,446 to earn your respect, but I will not allow 570 00:22:02,529 --> 00:22:04,781 people to treat me this way. Not anymore. 571 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:06,825 - Listen, J-- 572 00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:24,384 - I got it. I'll do the rest. - Okay. 573 00:22:24,468 --> 00:22:25,927 - You sure? - Yeah. 574 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,431 - Love you. - You too. 575 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:38,774 - It'll be fine, right? - Sure.